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VILLE'S HAVING A "WHITE" CHRISTMAS
In Kerrang's issue 1190 for December 19, 2007 there's a feature on Ville. Check it out to read a special message about his Christmas plans (oh my) and he waxes nostalgic on the year behind him. You can get it now in the UK and in a few weeks elsewhere. Merry Christmas!
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Cold
:( I did not like the Za-Zen this time, it was really cold, I really struggled and wondered what the hell I was doing there.
I don't know if I will go back.
zen
For me, it is very important to clear up my mind every now and then, ideally, I would like to think as little as possible, but always knowing exactly what to do in any circumstance...
Of course
That would indeed be ideal, and it can be obtained through study and experience... but some things you just think too much about and need to think about a lot, not per se solving things on the spot, but more like long term things...
Hey, Aris、the thing was cool
"Hey, Aris, the thing was cool"
What thing?
The za-zen meditation?
I don't know much about meditation really, never do it. I think too much. So far the best way for me to clear my mind is to think all thoughts rather than ignore them for an hour. Or something... :p
:) !!! No-No!
MLV
http://www.myspace.com/moonlight_0
No-no, of course they don't need stalking, and stalkers are dam idiots!
It doesn't annoy them to be dreamT BUT for sure if someone annoys then there is no point in being kind, well, stalkers are not fans or friends, they're hassles, and who hasn't been stalked in his/her life, who wants to be disliked that much...
No, when people want you to dream of them , their mind and spirit gently say to yours, hello, let's dream..
Oh, see...Ville is beautyfull...and so how would I not dream...and mind comunication exhists you know..(:D! I like you to think I crazy!!:D!!).on a certain point in my life I used to practise some form of group meditation, buddhist, similar to trascendental meditation and at the end of each time I could feel people's feeling clearly, althought not read their minds..
Now I am off to try out some other kind of meditation called za-zen.
So bloody early unfortunately...
:) !!! GOOD THAT YOU ARE A GIRL!!!!
Speack to you later!!
Boy or Girl?
:D! Are you boy or girl??
(or gay boy?)
Hemmm...if you even like study computers, weellll, you are a bit nerd, yea, but this is very good for you indeed! :)
I once dreamed i was a dog and attacked i guy that was my ex, as he had another girl...:D! bad!
I dream those who make me dream..their fault..
:) no?
Girl
But I've got a lot of "guy-interests"... I like motorcycles and cars... computers... blood & gore, though that's become a bit less lately I suppose... but then on the other hand I like proze and poetry and stuff... I'm pretty much a grand mix of both alpha and beta... had some difficulty deciding what I wanted to study after highschool, cos languages and art really interest me, but I liked computers just a tad better for a profession...
Their fault to make you dream about them... well that's one way to look at it :p
But is it also their fault that say, ppl feel the need to stalk them? Do they MAKE ppl stalk them? I mean, you can say that stuff about anything... companies MAKE me buy their products... nope, it's you and your personal interests... at least that's how it is for most ppl, of course there is the occasional person who has no mind of his/her own... :p
schools :( oh-why
MLV
http://www.myspace.com/moonlight_0
:) ! I don't really know! when I go fall asleep and don't wake up until they tell me, it's ok, you can go..
schools..Art schools are good fun, but then there no job after, so ...everybody turns to computers..and study computers is really really boring..
Last night I dreamt I was in a huge garden, I think I was sometimes human sometimes some flying insect, and there was behind orange and pale pink veils a boy sleeping and i looked near moving veils well, yea, of course it was Ville Valo, he smiled at me really sweet, then kept on sleeping and I kept on watching him sleeping.
:) !
Boring
I don't think studying computers is boring, but hey, I quallify as a nerd...
I've never dreamed of celebs. Dreamed of a boy in school once but that was ages ago... whenever I dream it's usually my subconcience trying to tell me not to worry about stuff I've been worrying about... sometimes it's really cool, I dreamed in cartoon once :D
:D!!
MLV
http://www.myspace.com/moonlight_0
Not that bad!
I just get all upset and worried, and feel not hungry!
:) benefits are supposed to be back next week, and it was just a mistake (grrr...theirs...)
Tomorrow I must go early to school...
:) !!
I am a bit scared but maybe i will soon have a job in IT, but I have to finish to learn that bloody Word---microsoft you know...
lol
I basically grew up with Microsoft, and I get to do my final thesis for Microsoft (so thrilled about that), now if only I'll get a fulltime job there once I graduate, it'd be perfect :p
Nothing to be afraid of, hon :)
But untill then, school sucks... at least mine does... yours?
comment 123
Well, I did all I had to do about the Social. But I really want a full time job as I can't take no more. But really, I am getting very thin, not so bad.
getting thin
You're getting thin because you can't afford food?
URL
..Then probabily it was :FeelLifted.at_RKzone
Yes, my benefits got stopped as the job-centre did not get from my employers the information about the number of hours I worked, they are not happy with the information I provided. i gave up the p/t job, and trying to get a letter from my employers with all the information they need. it's a nightmare.Please, I rather not think about it, i am doing all i can to make them start again. I want to finish my ECDLs before starting Dreamweaver properly..now I really need to go to sleep and tomorrow off to the offices again..it's like I killed someone for having a little p/t job, you know...
website
Thank You.
I am designing a page, and for the moment is only one, so the CSS is not so important, as both me and the girl who web-site is for are taking it really slow, she needs to send me pictures and informations, and she doesn't, and i need to upload her website, but as for sure it's her who needs to pay for the domain, I haven't uploaded it yet, also, how do i upload something that isn't there, because, yes, FronPage eats the photographs I take and re-edit by photoshop.
The web-page is to introduce people to use Ayurvedic medicine ( I had a non surgical face-lift!! :) !! It made my eyes thinner and my skin more pink. I had the treatment entirely free and now i must finish her web-site.) to people and possibly get customers for my friend. I made a home page for her, i don't really know if she is using it, as it not complete either, i want to use some pics as wallpaer, now i will do it anyway, but then, i will have to change the colour of the text...and tha is difficoult.
My friend's site is:
www.MySpace.com/_FeelLifted_at_RKzone_/
Logo is mine. :D!
And all the pics, but are not enough.
Yes I know HTML, and can use it, but not build an entire page on it. HTML on notepad??
Me -silly what is it??
Oh, I hate it but I must go to school, and guess what, after my last p/t all my benefits went stopped, and I don't know when I will have them back. So if I had a chanche to grab some money and see Morrisey (sold out but of course not sold out when you pay over 100 quids.
Well, I wouldn't have spent those 100 quids anyway, but..I feel so bad...:( !!
Speack to you later.
And my exams are on Frontpage, not Dreamweaver...
Site doesn't work.
The url you gave doesn't work.
Notepad is a program in which you can write all kinds of code, including HTML.
Sucks you don't have any money, but what do you mean "your benefits were stopped"?
Frontpage and not Dreamweaver... I don't mean to burn your school or you, but I guess your course was made by someone who doesn't know much about webbuilding...
Frontpage is what you start out in when you don't know anything about websites yet, it's the mistake nearly everyone makes as a newbie when you start doing websites on your own... then when you learn more about building websites you realise Frontpage is far too simple and limited.
I went through all that when I was 12 or something... I know there's newer versions of Frontpage by now that are better, but they're still not nearly as good as Dreamweaver... I understand you have to use Frontpage to get good grades though :)
Aw-me envious...
You make web-sites work. GRRrrrrrr...They never work with me....
Well, ok, the don't join the FanClub then...maybe soon they will do something you really apreciate and you will join, who knows.
So excus me, I guess you know how to make the background stick in FrontPage web sites, so how?
:D!!
Well...
I don't work with FrontPage, it's too minimal, so I don't know which buttons to click. I do most in Dreamweaver or just write code in notepad or something.
I think that if you make something in FrontPage and you save it, it erases half of the things that the program thinks are too difficult... something like that... I've seen it happen, I don't know if that's the case here.
Do you ever look at the code? Do you know basic HTML and CSS? If so and you can tell me how you build up the site, or give me the url where the site is online, than I can just give you the code that'll get you your background...
Or try it in Dreamweaver.
:D !! Yes!!!
YES!! I like creating things, visually, but I hate the hassle of studying the programs!! It is absolutely the truth!! I like surfing and browsing, that's about it!!
But I like going to film things, no matter how hard, and I dream images and films, not stories, just images.
I couldn't cope with being famous, I mean, with people staring at me, I think, I don't know really, but I am shy, badly. It is not what worries me, i am a lot more worried of the Social Security!! :( !! That's the ones who possibly want to know what i am doing all the time!! - just joking - I did have some photos and films at festivals, but i never really worked hard enough to make any money.
Ah, you are one of these people who can make the computers work!!
Quiete shocking! Computers almost switch themselves off if I look at them, ..some bad karma between me and machines.
I think joining a FanClub is like to say "It's official, I am on your side.", No I never wear tee shirts, with any name ever, yet, look at some of the sweaters with the heartgram - drawing-trials they are cool, never the less, I must be really carefull with money, ...I once bought a Radiohead tee-shirt, about 3 years ago, the one with the little monster crying, but it was not very expensive, i got from a shop for like...3 pounds, so it was ok..I never did wear it , and I don't know why. I joined, when I was 12, The Off.Int.Queen FanClub...and never anything else..and now I became HIMster, as I really believe I will never-ever-ever change my mind about them.
Even I like Rh pretty much and even more one or two years ago, before all the political stuff, how bad the Labour party is etc.but as I read few interviews with Thom Yorke there was no chanche of me joining any Rh FanClub, and I am sure, the fact that there have been no interviews with Thom Yorke recently is what has made them get to the top, and if he gives some interviews again, the sales will drop, for sure. (:D! :D! :D!). I join the cause of still giving Love a chanche, and even more, Ville Valo looks good, very-very-very good. :) !
Giving love a chance...
I have nothing against that. I believe in love. I don't think you should be desperate for it, but that's a different thing.
But the fact Ville looks good is no reason for me. There's 1000s of fanclubs you can join for that reason and I'd join none of them for it.
Social Security... yeah, I remember the days you could just do whatever you want over here, and before you know it we're turning into America... Still, if you don't do anything radical it's pretty safe to be a celeb here.
The one who makes computers work... well I'm more someone who makes programms and websites work :p
At the moment I'm making a sheetmusic website and in a few weeks I'll be working on some Xbox applications. :)
Dreamweaver and Fireworks
My problem is that I joined a really crap college, for what concern web-design, the only good thing about that college is that I had the chanche to suspend my lessons until they will have a teacher who can teach something, not just stay there and give books to read to the students. No, I do really need to have teachers, and I have the same problem when studying on line, I can't bear it, I fall asleep, I need to speack to people, I am human, it's normal.
I will look for a copy (original is too expensive) of Premiere-Pro CS3...I don't understand why you don't join the FanClub, it is perfectly affordable, and it is a lot better when you think only people who are fans can read what you write and not whoever wants..
So, yeah, I wish to learn properly to use Dreamweaver and Fireworks possibly Flash too..I even have the programs, i just don't have the teachers, and no, entirely by myself, I don't get my way around, I mean, only a little bit of Dreamweaver, that's it.
But when I will get Premiere, I will learn it as the wish to make films is a lot stronger than that of making web pages. :)
Join the FanClub !!!
I'm not joining the fanclub.
If I'd ever join any fanclub there'd be too many other bands/artists who's fanclub I'd join rather than Him's really :p
I'm simply not a person who joins fanclubs, I don't care about autographs, I'd never scream if I see a celeb, I don't buy bandmerch 'xcept for some shirts perhaps, but I've never worn a Him shirt and I don't think I ever will, unless they make something that's up there with real Rock 'n Roll gods like Led Zed...
I don't care other ppl can read it, they don't know who I am.
Well there's a difference between "making websites" and "making websites". I'm the programmer type (call me a nerd if you will) who's into hardcore programming code in php, java, javascript, c# and what have you... you won't learn that from interacting with ppl but from analyzing existing code mostly.
But I'm guessing you're more of the designer type who just wants to make some nice looking stuff without too much hassle? ;)
Word
ECDL －some number- I have to study all the features of the program. I did study how to use it in a simple way, but now I must learn almost everything about it, and it is boring, but we study on line and have continuosly texts to pass and there's no chanche to cheat in anyway. I wish they had also Photoshop, FrontPage, Dreamweaver, Premiere-pro (EXPENSIVE!) and all those programs that can make me create things. i can only really use Photoshop as image editor, and I am not very good at layers and when I use FrontPage the background, once uploaded on the net, disappears.
:(
But now I must concentrate on Word.
Did you watch Film 5 (in Media Exclusive)?
Nope
I can't watch it cos I'm not a fanclub member.
If you can work in Dreamweaver you should stick with that and never ever return to FrontPage. Sure the Adobe programms are expensive, but you can just find your way around that, not too difficult really, if you're up for stuff like that of course...
editing
yes, video-editing is a pain-in-the-ass.
Ok , Adobe Premiere, I will try get it and use it.
:D
School today. (doing "advanced" Word :p).
"advanced"
How advanced is "advanced"? :p
Over at my school we also have to do some electives, and some ppl from my class found a good way to get some easy points, cos there's also courses like basic/advanced Word, Excel, Windows in general, but for us that's no problem whatsoever... the school's just stupid enough not to check what level ppl are on already... so you can basically earn points by sitting back and doing nothing...
blue
Yes, ..knowledge is a key to everything..
I did buy years ago a blue acoustic, in Tokyo, then I left it in Shanghai with friends who are still keeping it, again, it was the colour and the shape of the guitar I was fascinated with.
And I know for experience that I can not compose any music, but I can create good images.
But video isn't so fascinting as media as film, and sintetic images arent as truthfull as film images, but there are a lot of effects that can only be made in video, and I wish I was able to use computers a lot better, infact, that's why I took a web design course, but it is such a crap school, poor me.
I am in 2 schools, one teaches just basic programs, like Microsoft Office, the other..nothing really..:(
Just in case:..what's the best software to edit videos and films? I know "After effects" is cool for postproduction, but how about editing?
I have Movie-Factory and Power Director, but I don't get around them.
Maybe I should ask, what's the easiest program for editing..
:D week-end soon!
Hmmm
Maybe Adobe Premiere Pro or something... I grew up with computers and am in the business, but video editting is one thing I don't really do :p
play
I usd to play guitar and a bit piano when I was teenager.
I have recently bought a pink acoustic guitar, but mainly I look at it.Pretty.
Yeah Wicked Game!
I love it.
And there aren't songs I don't like.
That book could be interesting, hhmm...I don't know.
Sometimes I am unfair when I say in UK is difficoult to find good books, the one I mentioned was a collection of writings about art and work, and was written in UK, but many ears ago, and I lent it, and it just went..
I am so tired, I think I am going to quit working and studying too much.
A pink acoustic...
I've seen some aquamarine-burst acoustics around here, but pink...
I play piano and guitar aswell. Resently took up violin. I must say it's fairly easy if you already know your way on a guitar.
When I was little I started with a flute, but it's been so long I can't even play it anymore. Shame really... I actually also have a harmonica and a panflute, but I keep forgetting I have them :p
Too much to do, too little time... can't wait till I'm done with school... getting tired too...
About getting books, usually you have to know the right stores to get what you want... it's that way for pretty much everything, not only books...
Ville
We are indirectly talking about Ville.
We just widen the conversation, but the main point is Ville, and HIM, and what we fans can be like.
And every Himster is different from another.
Mhhh..a book about war..thanks for telling me...as I never read books about war, I hate war. Cruelty scares me. What songs you like less (by HIM) and like most?
And did you read "Les yeux d'Elsa" (by Louis Aragon), when I was a student I did really like it.And I am enchanted by Ville's eyes.
I think..isn't there a limit up to which a humah being can learn many languages? My brain isn't much, really..
when i started to make experimental films (then stopped, then started agin, etc.) I canged my name to Lucie Aran (Arahan is a Sanscrit word, for dawn, beginning). I thought it was really cool.
But your English is very good, no complains..
And Ville says he reads books at Christmas, so..we are just RIGHT! :) :D! :D!!
And what Leni reads when it's cold and gloomy outside?
Well
It's not really a book about violence etc. there really is little war in it, it's more about what's going on with ppl in the underground and stuff. This guy is going undercover so to speak with the enemy so he can break it up from the inside, but then he's charged with being a trator of his own country while he's actually trying to help it... that kinda stuff...
I don't know if there's a limit to learning languages, I just try to learn as many as I can :p
I don't believe I've read that book, no...
Which songs I like best and less... ehm... actually I prefer Lioneye, but from Him... I guess... well, my fave has to be Wicked Game. The Chris Isaak version is brilliant to begin with and the Him version is just as good. Other than that I really prefer the upbeat songs, ehm, Burried alive by love and stuff? The older stuff I guess... but I haven't listened to any of it in months :p
Which also makes it hard for me to say which I don't like... ehm... Don't fear the reaper. I definitely prefer the original, even if I can't recall who's that was... other than that simply the really slow songs... I can't name them cos I don't even care to know the titles :p
Yeah Leni, what do you read?
Anyone play any instruments?
VILLE'S HAVING A "WHITE" CHRISTMAS
I'M SORRY
i thought this was just for comments about
VILLE'S HAVING A "WHITE" CHRISTMAS !!!
Relax woman
Nobody's gonna die if a few posts aren't about Ville. And if someone does then that's just very, very unhealthy...
If someone wants to post here they can, nobody's stopping them. But no-one else is posting so what's the big issue?
O.M.G. (says for "oh-my-God!")
All fo a sudden I feel scared, how do you all these languages?
I would confuse them all together..(:( )mestupid...
How comes you forget to learn Sanscrit and Jewish ?
Didn/t you see they exist? (:p! )
Finnish is a very beautyfull-sounding language, one of my best friens is from Finland and I used to read all her magazines, well, tryng to, now I don't work with her anymore, no many chanches to lear Finnish.
I have a new job, and I am practising my Jap. there, in hope of getting a job that pays better.
If i didn't need to waist so many hours working, i would just be studying languages and exercising at the gym and be all happy.
I think Holland is, after the UK the best place for music in Europe, I mean I went there and I was so astonished, you can everything in the shops, recors you can't even find in the UK.
Germany is also ok, mostly people is really friendly, and the same is in France, also in Iceland.
I love Scandinavians they are never gross, never arrogant, just really polite and intelligent.
I want to find that book, which will be hard in UK, as they sell lots of crap and when you want to find something a bit intellectual you must go to Oxford or Cambridge.
Oh, tuff, off to work.
:) !
LOL
Of course I know they exist, I just haven't gotten around to learning those :p
And yes, sometimes it gets confusing, since my German is better than my French I notice I sometimes want to say a German word while I mean to be talking French :p
English is even worse :p
But I haven't had much time to study any of it lately. I'm supposed to start writing my final thesis pretty soon. Can't wait to be done with it already.
I agree, Holland is excellent for getting music and movies and whatnot. At the moment I'm very much into old vinyl records. Even those aren't that hard to obtain, though of course it takes a little more effort.
Play any instruments?
The book by W.F. Hermans is a normal novel though, it's not a book purely on philosophy. It's about WW2 and how someone who thought he wouldn't play a part in it gets wrapped up in it before he knows what's happening.
:D !!!
I guess at 20 you can still think about Socrates..no it was neither a compliment neither an insult, i just wondered how someone comes up with Socrates, it's really bizarre...no, "auch" is what i say when pick the navel's jewellery with the zip of the trousers, and "shit" is just a negative exlamation, very common.
German? No, I know only the sounds, the pronounciation, as it sounds good, but I dislike its grammar it is too boring, I can speack Italian, English, Japanese, French fluently, but I still have problems with reading kanjis (Japanese ideograms coming from the Antique Chinese ones)as they get combined in a crazy way,( the whole structure of the Japanese grammar is related to moods and state of mind, which is a lot more fascinating to me than latin).
I don't know many metal bands, I just only know, of any music, those musicians I like, everything else I forget as I realise I don't like it.
But when people speacks about this and that band that I have heard but totally forgot,then I feel really bad.
The best book on phylosophy I have ever read, was :"About Alienated and Non-Alienated Work", by Marx and Engels, and it's all about art.
You?
Hmmm
I speak English, German and Dutch fluently (the English must be obvious). :p
I also know basic and continue learning French, Spanish, Italian, Esperanto, Chinese and Japanese, so you don't need to explain the origin of Kanjis :p
Most scandinavian languages and Afrikaans are pretty easy to understand if you know Dutch and German, at least reading is no problem. Besides that I'm working on Finnish and Russian.
Best book on philosophy I've read... well I guess it'd be philosophic for me to say you can look at any book in a philosophic manner. In that perspective I must say De Donkere Kamer van Damocles (Damocles' Dark Room), by W.F. Hermans must be the best book I've ever read. All the books of his that I've read end bad, as in, even nature could turn against you. Though is it nature or is it your own mind? Much like "it's not the spoon that bends" :p
:) !!! SoooCool! (apart from Socrates).
Your interview makes sense! Good-good!
Yeah, I hate skin-cancer, my mother and also my brother had it, but they could get rid of it without having any limb cut off. But only because they saw it when it was really small..you know what I mean..
I think you can ask things which are more contemporary than Socrates and I am sure Ville would appreciate..
I guess you are about...15 and a half...when you have to study history of Phylosophy :p!! It's really funny!!
I would ask him lots and lots of things about his lyrics, I adore them, and if he starts talking about bands I don't know...auch-shit!
Maybe Heartagram should have a special board for fans interviewing HIM on line.
:) ... :D yeah, that should be so cool...
15 and a half
Should I considder that a compliment? :p
When I was 15 I wasn't all that interested in philosophy, occasionaly thought about religions and how I'll never live by them, but now I'm actually in my early 20s, and I read Socrates, Machiavelli, Darwin, Shakespeare, Baudelaire, and many many more for fun :p
Speaking of auch-shit, you know German?
:D!
Journalists will die of passive smoke while asking stupid things..."skin cancer" -fuck that! it's a bit too much...hey, I have got tatoos too..don't mention unlucky things please..
so what would you ask Ville if you were a journalist? :p !!
:) !!
"Don't mention unlucky things"
It's the truth hon, you can close your eyes but it won't go away... don't get me wrong, it won't stop me from getting a tattoo or anything :p
More the fact that it's permanent and I'll probably get bored with the image after a few years.
I guess I'm just a very realistic person.
What I'd ask him... I haven't the faintest... I guess, I'd probably try to have a normal conversation.
How've you been?
Seen any good movies lately?
Read any good books recently?
Have you read Socrates?
Do you realise you're evolutionairy strong?
Do you ever try to figure the meaning of life?
You know, small talk :p
ok
:) !
But I often have the impression that he has to answer to interviewers who really don't know anything about nothing, and can he say to them, "Ok, now let;s talk about something you completely ignore.." he can't can he? But if you read the lirics, which I think are fantastic, whatever he has read, he can't be a nasty person, apart from that, he's never superficial, or careless about words, and this is uncommon. Hm, about tatoos..it's the same as clothes,but I think too much ink under the skin can not be too good..but it's nice to be decorated..well, they are not so important to me.
I guess.
It's been proven tattoos help skincancer, but I wouldn't be too concerned about it really. Smoking is worse :p
Of course he can't say it to journalists, but that's the point isn't it? Everything's about the music...
I was just talking in general..
well...Hmmm...
So do you mean you know Ville and he's totally awfull??
:p !!
Tell me tell me!!
But it is that you are strange, going on a web-site where everyone says "WOW!!!!" and you "What fucking wow? "
:D :D :D !!!
Sorry hon
But no, I don't know him.
I do think it would be interesting to know him. I hear he likes Charles Baudelaire and Edgar Allen Poe (eyes on his back?). I'd be more interested in his interests of literature and philosophy and whatnot, rather than talking about his own music, cos that's where my own interests lie. I'd talk about other music, but not his.
What I'm doing here... Like I said, I just came here to take a look, read some news and saw how everyone just loved the picture in Kerrang. I figured I'd post my opinion of the photo aswell. Which obviously isn't the same as most, no.
And I got some replies, and what came from it? An interesting conversation! :D
dreams
But how you don't know the artists you love??
You can't know anyone in any better way than if you know his/her artwork.
And dreams and life aren't dissimilar and I have enough energy for both.
:) !!
Then you love his/her artwork.
You still don't know the person. Art shows inner feelings, they're not necessairily apparent on the outside of the artist...
Living and interacting with someone is very different than looking or listening to some artwork. It's very possible to either love the artwork & not the artist, or to love the artist & not the artwork. It's not necessairily both, especially if you only know one and not the other.
Mind you, I don't mean to offend anyone. To each it's own. I simply like dicussions like this, about subjects people can have very different opinions about. Obviously this is one of them.
Just don't kill me for it :p
music and people
mmhh...:) yes! whoever does not love HIM is weird!!
Then I was thinking about..if I was rich..no, I don't think I'ld go see Radiohead in Bercy, I think I would use the money to help children with blood cancer, and mistreated children, and adults too, and whoever needs help, I think none can love music more than people, as the two things go together, really..
:( How can you not love Ville?